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Cite as:  2 Cr App R 1,  1 WLR 443,  WLR 443,  UKHL 2,  2 Cr App Rep 1,  1 All ER 593
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In re Kanaris (Respondent)(application for a writ of Habeas Corpus)(on appeal from the Administrative Court of the Queen's Bench Division of Her Majesty's High Court of Justice)
OF THE LORDS OF APPEAL
FOR JUDGMENT IN THE CAUSE
In re Kanaris (Respondent) (application for a writ of
(on appeal from the Administrative Court of the Queen's Bench Division of Her Majesty's High Court of Justice)
THURSDAY 30 JANUARY 2003
The Appellate Committee comprised:
Lord Nicholls of Birkenhead
Lord Slynn of Hadley
Lord Hope of Craighead
HOUSE OF LORDS
OPINIONS OF THE LORDS OF APPEAL FOR JUDGMENT
IN THE CAUSE
In re Kanaris (Respondent) (application for a writ of
(on appeal from the Administrative Court of the Queen's Bench Division of Her Majesty's High Court of Justice)
 UKHL 2
LORD NICHOLLS OF BIRKENHEAD
1. I have had the opportunity of reading in draft the speeches of my noble and learned friends Lord Hope of Craighead and Lord Hutton. For the reasons given by Lord Hutton, with which I agree, I would allow this appeal. I agree also with the cautionary observations of Lord Hope of Craighead.
LORD SLYNN OF HADLEY
2. I have had the advantage of reading in draft the speech of my noble and learned friend Lord Hutton. For the reasons he gives with which I agree I would allow the appeal and make the order he proposes.LORD STEYN
3. For the reasons given by Lord Hutton I would also allow the appeal. The broader observations of Lord Hope of Craighead may provide valuable perspectives in future cases.
LORD HOPE OF CRAIGHEAD
4. I have had the advantage of reading in draft the speech of my noble and learned friend Lord Hutton. I agree with it, and for the reasons which he has given I too would allow the appeal. But I should like to add a few observations of my own about the consequences of this decision on statutory custody time limits, in a case where the trial judge is considering whether it would be appropriate to order that a preparatory hearing should be held under Part III of the Criminal Procedure and Investigations Act 1996.
The statutory time limits
5. Section 22 of the Prosecution of Offences Act 1985 gave power to the Home Secretary to make provision by regulations as to the maximum period which was to be allowed to the prosecution to complete any specified preliminary stage of proceedings for an offence (the "overall time limit") or during which the accused might be held in custody (the "custody time limit"). Section 22(3) of the Act provides that a court may, at any time before the expiry of a time limit, extend it if it is satisfied that there is a good and sufficient cause for doing so and that the prosecution has acted with all due expedition. This measure has been described as a cautious approach to the establishing of time limits in criminal trials: see the general note to section 22 of the Act in Current Law Statutes 1985, vol 2. Caution has certainly been exercised in making use of the power which the section provides. Provision was made by the Prosecution of Offences (Custody Time Limits) Regulations 1987 (SI 1987/299) for the maximum period that an accused person might be held in custody before trial. Regulation 5(6B) of the 1987 Regulations, as amended, provides that where an accused is sent for trial under section 51 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998 the maximum period of custody between the accused being sent to the Crown Court and the start of the trial shall be 182 days, less any period during which he has been in the custody of the magistrates' court since his first appearance for the offence. But no regulations have yet been made providing for overall time limits.
6. The custody time limit which regulation 5(6B) lays down is comparatively generous to the prosecution by United Kingdom standards. Section 65(4)(b) of the Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995 provides that an accused who is committed for any offence until liberated in due course of law shall not be detained by virtue of that committal for a total period of more than 110 days unless the trial is commenced within that period. This is an overall time limit, as a failure to bring the accused to trial within that period will result in his being free for ever from all question or process for the offence. The period may be extended if delay in the commencement of the trial is due to a sufficient cause which is not due to fault on the part of the prosecutor, but this test is not easily satisfied. The system is highly visible and easy to administer. Every step in the proceedings and every order made is recorded precisely in a minute prepared by the clerk of court, of whom much more appears to be expected than in the case of his counterpart in England and Wales. There is no room for doubt as to what each step in the proceedings is about, as to whether and if so to what date the time limit has been extended and as to when the commencement of the trial takes place.
7. The respondent was arrested on 10 April 2001 and charged with conspiring with others to launder the proceeds of criminal conduct including drug trafficking. He was detained in custody. On 27 April 2001 his case was transferred to the Crown Court at Southwark under section 51 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998. It was linked up there with the cases of ten other defendants, but they were later all transferred to the Crown Court sitting at Kingston. As a result the respondent was now one of eleven defendants named on a single indictment. He faced four charges of conspiracy on that indictment, and on each of the four charges against him he was charged jointly with all or some of the other defendants. The effect of regulation 5(6B) of the 1987 Regulations was that his custody time limit was due to expire on 21 October 2001.
8. After some preliminary procedure all eleven defendants appeared before the judge in the Crown Court at Kingston on 7 September 2001. Section 29(1) of the 1996 Act permits a judge to hold a preparatory hearing if it appears to him that the indictment reveals a case of such complexity, or a case whose trial is likely to be of such length, that substantial benefits are likely to accrue from his doing so before the jury are sworn. Section 29(2) provides that the purposes for which such a hearing may be ordered are those of identifying the issues that are likely to be material, assisting the jury's comprehension of these issues, expediting the proceedings before the jury and assisting the judge's management of the trial. The powers that may be exercised to enable the judge to identify and clarify the issues in the case are set out in section 31. They include power to require the prosecutor to prepare and serve a written case statement and to require the accused to give written notice of any objections to the case statement and of any points of law he wishes to take.
9. When the defendants appeared before him on 7 September 2001 the judge was invited by the prosecutor to hold a preparatory hearing in this case, and he agreed to do so. On that date nine of the eleven defendants were arraigned and pleaded not guilty. In the respondent's case an issue was raised as to whether he was fit to plead, so his arraignment was postponed to enable a psychiatric assessment to take place. The other defendant had indicated that he would be applying for the charges to be dismissed against him. The respondent appeared again before the judge on 5 October 2001. The issue as to his fitness to plead was resolved, and he was then arraigned and a plea of not guilty was taken from him. As your Lordships have held, the hearing which took place in the respondent's case on that date was a preparatory hearing within the meaning of section 29 of the 1996 Act.
10. The question whether the hearing which took place on 5 October 2001 in the respondent's case was or was not a preparatory hearing had a direct bearing on the protection which regulation 5(6B) of the 1987 Regulations gave against his being held too long in custody. At the outset of his submissions on 7 September 2001, when he was inviting the judge to order a preparatory hearing in this case, counsel for the prosecution very properly drew the judge's attention to the fact that three of the defendants were in custody. This was important because section 30 of the 1996 Act provides that, if a judge orders a preparatory hearing, the trial shall start with that hearing. One of the effects of that provision is that the judge who conducts the hearing must conduct the trial, save in exceptional circumstances: R v Southwark Crown Court, ex p Commissioners of Customs and Excise  1 WLR 764, 772F-G. Another is that it brings to an end the protection of the statutory custody time limit, as that time limit applies only during the period between the first appearance in court and the start of the trial. Section 22(11) of the 1985 Act provides that the expression "preliminary stage" does not include any stage of the proceedings after the accused has been arraigned in the Crown Court or, in the case of summary trial, the magistrates' court has begun to hear evidence for the prosecution in the case. In the normal course of a trial on indictment the jury is sworn immediately after arraignment at the commencement of the trial. Arraignment has to be complete before the preparatory hearing starts, as the trial cannot commence until the defendant has pleaded to the indictment: R v Southwark Crown Court, ex p Commissioners of Customs and Excise, p769F.
11. The effect of your Lordships' decision that the hearing which took place on 5 October 2001 was a preparatory hearing is that the protection of the statutory custody time limit came to end on that date. It was, as I have said, due to expire on 21 October 2001. That was the date when the respondent would have had to be released from custody if the trial had not yet started, unless the time limit was extended under section 22(3) of the 1985 Act. In the event, the start of the preparatory hearing deprived him of the statutory protection against being held for too long a period in custody. The discipline of having to observe the time limit, and of having to justify any extension of it, was removed from the case.
12. The effect of this on the progress of the trial is not hard to see. Instead of having to ensure that the trial proper began before the expiry of the time limit on 21 October 2001 or any later date to which the time limit could properly be extended under section 22(3) of the 1985 Act, the court was relieved of the need to concern itself with any time limits. The judge exercised the power to adjourn the preparatory hearing which was given to him by section 31(2) of the 1996 Act. In order to give sufficient time for the preparatory steps to be taken, the date for trial was fixed for 7 May 2002. At a hearing on 11 January 2002 at which all the eleven defendants were represented, the date for trial was moved to 2 September 2002. At a further hearing on 1 March 2002 the case was severed into two trials. The first trial was fixed for 2 September 2002, but it was later put back to 7 October 2002. The second trial, which is the one at which the respondent is to be tried, was fixed for 7 May 2003, but it is not now likely to be heard until the second half of 2003. This means that the respondent's trial will not start until well over two years after the date of his first appearance in court on the charges which he faces on this indictment.
13. The significance of this point was not lost on Andrew Smith J when he was considering the respondent's application for habeas corpus. It is plain from his carefully worded judgment that he did not regard it as acceptable that the hearing on 5 October 2001 at which so little was achieved should have the result of depriving the respondent of his liberty for the many months that were going to elapse before his trial was heard. After concluding that it was a fiction, and in his view an impermissible fiction, to say that the preparatory hearing began on that date, he made these observations in para 49 of his judgment:
14. I agree that, on a proper reading of all that took place on 5 October 2001 as revealed by the transcript of the proceedings, the hearing which the judge ordered to take place on that date was indeed a preparatory hearing and that the appeal must be allowed on this ground. But I think that there is much force in the observations which Andrew Smith J. made about the importance of the safeguard which is afforded to accused persons by the statutory custody time limit. While it is true that the accused may apply to the judge for bail after the removal of that time limit, he will no longer have the benefit of the statutory rules which restrict the grounds on which the statutory custody time limit may be extended. The significance of this point can be seen by reading the transcript of the proceedings in the Crown Court on both 7 September and 5 October 2001. Conspicuous by its absence, when the timetable for further proceedings in the case was being fixed, is any discussion of the effect of that timetable on the three defendants, including the respondent, who were still being detained in custody.
15. It has not been suggested that this was not an appropriate case for the judge to exercise the case management powers which have been given to him by Part III of the 1996 Act or that the time which he allowed for the preparatory steps to be taken was unreasonably long. His rulings on these matters are not open to review in these proceedings. But there is no doubt that a careful assessment was required of the need for this procedure. The cases where a preparatory hearing is likely to produce a significant saving in time and money overall are unlikely to be many. It was made clear by the government when this legislation was introduced that it was the intention that this power should not be widely used. There is no doubt that this was the view of Lord Taylor of Gosforth CJ, as he observed during the debate on Second Reading (Hansard, HL Vol 567, col 478) when he said:
16. An additional factor which this case has revealed is the effect which the delays which the use of the procedure is likely to introduce into the case will have on those who are being detained in custody. The introduction of a preparatory hearing as part of the trial in serious and complicated fraud trials by section 7 of the Criminal Justice Act 1987 followed a recommendation to that effect in the Roskill Report: The Report of the Roskill Committee on Fraud Trials (HMSO, 1986). The Roskill Report did not discuss the question whether, and if so how, account should be taken of the effect of the procedure on those detained in custody. Perhaps this was not perceived to be a problem, as the accused in trials of that kind are almost always released on bail. But the extension of the same procedure by Part III of the 1996 Act to other long and complex trials such as those involving allegations of drug trafficking means that this factor can no longer be ignored. Moreover there is the obligation which section 6(1) of the Human Rights Act 1998 has now imposed on the court as a public authority. Article 5.3 of the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms provides that everyone lawfully arrested or detained on reasonable suspicion of having committed an offence "shall be entitled to trial within a reasonable time or to release pending trial."
17. These considerations suggest that a judge who is minded to order a preparatory hearing in a long and complex case should be careful not to deprive an accused who is in custody of the protection of the statutory custody time limit until it has become necessary for him to do so. Section 32(2)(a) of the 1996 Act enables a judge to exercise the powers under section 31(4) to (7) before the preparatory hearing begins, and thus before arraignment, in a way that would be compatible with the accused's Convention right. The use of this procedure should enable considerable progress to be made in the preparation and exchange of information before the judge engages in a detailed discussion of how the trial is to be managed, while at the same time preserving to the accused in the meantime the full protection of the statutory custody time limit.
18. The principal issue which arises on this appeal is whether a Crown Court judge can conduct two separate preparatory hearings in respect of different defendants who are charged with criminal offences in the same indictment. However before consideration can be given to this issue, a preliminary question must be addressed, which is what were the orders which the Crown Court judge made on 7 September and 5 October 2001 when counsel appeared before him. It is also necessary to state briefly the background to the case and to refer to the relevant legislation.
The background and the relevant legislation
19. The respondent, Mr Kanaris, is one of eleven defendants in an indictment containing eight counts, and he is charged jointly with other defendants in four of the counts with conspiracy to launder drugs money or the proceeds of other crime or both. The respondent was arrested on 10 April 2001 and remained in custody until the order made by Andrew Smith J in the Administrative Court on 9 January 2002 that a writ of habeas corpus should issue and that the respondent should be released on bail. It is against the judgment of Andrew Smith J that the Crown now appeals to this House.
20. Section 22(1)(b) of the Prosecution of Offences Act 1985 provides that the Secretary of State may by regulations make provision, with respect to any specified preliminary stage of proceedings for an offence, as to the maximum period during which the accused may, while awaiting completion of that stage by the prosecution, be in the custody of the Crown Court in relation to that offence. Regulation 5(6B) of the Prosecution of Offences (Custody Time Limits) Regulations 1987 provides that where (as in this case) an accused is sent for trial under section 51 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998, the maximum period of custody between the accused being sent to the Crown Court by a magistrates' court for an offence and the start of the trial in relation to it, shall be 182 days. In this case the custody time limit in respect of the respondent would have expired on 21 October 2001. Therefore if the respondent's trial had not started before that date he would have been entitled to be released on bail.
21. Part III of the Criminal Procedure and Investigations Act 1996 makes provision for a judge of the Crown Court to order a preparatory hearing. Section 29 provides:
Section 30 provides:
Section 31 provides:
Section 32 provides:
22. On 7 September 2001 the eleven defendants, all of whom were represented by counsel, appeared at Kingston Crown Court before His Honour Judge McGregor-Johnson. Mr Black QC appeared for the Crown. Prior to the hearing the Crown had sent to the defendants' representatives a document which was headed:
This document was also provided to the Crown Court judge. A full transcript of this hearing on 7 September 2001 was before the Administrative Court and before the House.
23. At the outset of the hearing Crown counsel stated at page 3:
At page 4 he said:
At page 6 Crown counsel referred to section 29 of the 1996 Act and said:
Then Crown counsel stated that the defendant Correya had notified the Crown that he might apply for dismissal. At page 7 Crown counsel stated:
At page 8 the judge said:
At page 10 counsel for the defendant Correya requested that the case statement from the Crown should be served on him and stated that the defence would then serve its formal application to dismiss. Counsel then stated:
In response to the application by counsel for Correya Crown counsel stated at page 13:
The judge commented in reply:
Counsel for Correya then observed:
The judge then requested the views of counsel for the other defendants on the proposed timetable. Counsel for the defendant Mackenzie stated at page 14:
Counsel for the defendant Green stated that his client would be pleading not guilty and said at page 17:
Counsel for the other defendants also stated that pleas of not guilty would be entered.
24. Mr Caldwell, counsel for Mr Kanaris, then stated that because of his mental state there was considerable doubt as to whether he was fit to stand trial at that time. At page 22 counsel stated:
At pages 24 and 25 Crown counsel observed:
Immediately following these observations the judge stated at page 25:
The defendants with the exception of Mr Kanaris and Mr Correya were then arraigned and pleaded not guilty to the counts against them.
25. The judge then discussed with Crown counsel the starting date for a trial and at page 35 he said:
At page 38 Crown counsel said:
At page 40 counsel for the defendant Kyriacou asked:
After the luncheon adjournment Crown counsel said at page 43
There was then discussion about obtaining a medical report in respect of Mr Kanaris and the judge said at page 45:
The judge then discussed other matters with counsel and the hearing concluded.
26. On 5 October 2001 Mr Kanaris, now represented by Mrs Radford QC, appeared at Wood Green Crown Court before His Honour Judge McGregor-Johnson. No other defendants appeared at the hearing. Miss Bewsey appeared for the Crown. No issue was raised as to the fitness of Mr Kanaris to plead and Mrs Radford informed the judge that the indictment could be put. Mr Kanaris was arraigned and pleaded not guilty to the four counts against him. A full transcript of this hearing was also before the Administrative Court and before the House.
27. At page 5 Crown counsel stated:
28. Mrs Radford then referred to the fact that Mr Kanaris had been refused bail. The judge said at page 7:
I observe that it would probably be more accurate if the transcript of the last part of these comments by the judge read:
Crown counsel then said at page 8:
There was then a brief discussion between the judge and Crown counsel as to the documents to be served and the judge said at page 8:
There was then some discussion between the judge and Crown counsel and Mrs Radford about certain days when the Court would not sit during the course of the trial and the hearing concluded.
29. In his judgment Andrew Smith J set out the Crown Court judge's words at the hearing on 7 September when he said at page 25 of the transcript: "it is right to start the preparatory hearing to this extent: to have arraignment today of those defendants apart from Mr Correya and Mr Kanaris". The High Court judge then said:
30. The Judge rightly rejected the first of these meanings. But he also rejected the second meaning and gave the Crown Court judge's words the third meaning. He said:
31. I am unable to agree with the view taken by the High Court judge. Whilst, when analysed in hindsight, the statements of counsel and of the Crown Court judge may have lacked some degree of precision, and whilst some of the observations of the judge on 7 September could be read to mean that a preparatory hearing would not take place until January, I think that it is reasonably clear both from the transcript of the hearing on 7 September read as a whole and from the orders made by the judge, that he ordered at the hearing on 7 September that the nine defendants should be arraigned and that the preparatory hearing in respect of them should begin, because the judge said: "In my view it is right to start the preparatory hearing to this extent: To have arraignment today of those defendants apart from Mr Correya and Mr Kanaris for the reasons that have already been set out."
32. Moreover after the nine defendants had been arraigned the judge at page 35 made the very orders which a Crown Court judge is empowered to make at a preparatory hearing by section 31(4) and (6) of the 1996 Act, viz. an order for the service of the prosecution case statement by 30 October and the service of a defence statement by 14 December. The fact that section 32 of the 1996 Act empowers the Crown Court judge to make orders under section 31(4) to (7) before the preparatory hearing does not assist the respondent because the Crown Court judge made it clear at page 25 that he was holding a preparatory hearing on that day. Having regard to the words used by the judge and to the orders which he made pursuant to section 31(4) and (6) I consider that there is no substance in the suggestion that he mistakenly thought that the mere fact of arraigning the nine defendants was sufficient in itself to constitute a preparatory hearing in respect of them. Nor does it materially assist the respondent that at the hearing on 7 September the judge referred to a preparatory hearing in January; under section 31(2) the judge may adjourn a preparatory hearing from time to time, and I consider that the references to a preparatory hearing in the New Year related to a further preparatory hearing in January. This is confirmed by the judge's statement at the hearing on 5 October at page 8 that "the next preparatory hearing will be the 11th January".
33. I further consider that the observations of Crown counsel and of the judge at the hearing on 5 October confirm that there was a preparatory hearing in respect of the nine defendants on 7 September and that there was a preparatory hearing in respect of the respondent on 5 October. On 5 October the judge said expressly at page 5 that he had ordered on the last occasion that "the preparatory hearing should start on that occasion" and that "unless Miss Radford wants to say anything about that, I'll make the same order, as far as this is concerned." At that point, although she expressed concern that Mr Kanaris would be in custody until May, Mrs Radford did not dispute the statements by Crown counsel and the judge that the hearing on 7 September had been a preparatory hearing. I am unable to agree with the view of Andrew Smith J in paragraph 44 of his judgment that after Mrs Radford had addressed him the judge did not make an order that a preparatory hearing would start against the respondent. I consider that the words of Crown counsel and of the Crown Court judge at page 8 make it clear that the judge was ordering a preparatory hearing against the respondent on that date and that the same timetable for the delivery of documents pursuant to section 31(4) and (6) would apply to him. As I have already observed in relation to the nine defendants, the fact that a preparatory hearing in respect of the respondent took place on 5 October is confirmed by the judge's words at page 8 that "And then the next preparatory hearing will be the 11th January."
Separate preparatory hearings
34. A further and separate ground on which Andrew Smith J held that no preparatory hearing had begun in respect of the respondent was that when there was an indictment against a number of defendants, and particularly where a number of defendants were charged on the same count, there could not be a separate preparatory hearing in respect of one or some defendants. The judge said at paragraph 34 of his judgment:
35. In my opinion the judge erred in making this ruling. The law is clear that where a number of defendants are charged in the same indictment or in the same count, each defendant is charged with having himself committed an offence. In Director of Public Prosecutions v Merriman  AC 584 the respondent and his brother were jointly charged with the offence of wounding another man with intent to do him grievous bodily harm. Lord Morris of Borth-y-Gest stated at page 591H:
36. In R v Fenwick (1953) 54 SR (NSW) 147 (approved by the House in Merriman) Street CJ stated at page 152:
In R v Gibbins and Proctor  13 Cr App R 134, 136 Darling J stated: "The rule is, that it is a matter for the discretion of the judge at the trial whether two people jointly indicted should be tried together or separately but the judge must exercise his discretion judicially." Moreover, it was stated in R v Assim  2 QB 249, 258F:
37. Therefore I consider that there is no rule of statute or practice which prevents a judge from ordering a separate preparatory hearing in respect of one defendant jointly charged with other defendants in the same indictment if he considers that it is in the interests of justice to do so. In most cases it will be appropriate for a preparatory hearing to take place in respect of all those who are charged in the same indictment, but I consider that a judge has power to order a separate preparatory hearing in respect of one defendant where the circumstances require it. In my opinion the present case was one where the judge was fully entitled to take the view that it was desirable to make such an order. Eleven defendants represented by separate counsel, who had each received a proposed agenda headed "PREPARATORY HEARING 7 September 2001", had appeared before him in the Crown Court, the Crown submitted that the case was a proper one for a preparatory hearing, and the judge accepted this submission. However a question was raised as to the fitness of one defendant, the respondent, to stand trial, and therefore there could not be a preparatory hearing in respect of him on that date. In addition counsel for another defendant informed the judge that he intended to apply for dismissal. In those circumstances rather than adjourn the entire case to a future date for the first preparatory hearing, I think that it was sensible for the judge to proceed with the preparatory hearing in respect of the other nine defendants and to make orders pursuant to section 31(4) and (6) in respect of them, and to adjourn to another day the preparatory hearing in respect of the respondent.
An actual preparatory hearing
38. Andrew Smith J also accepted a further submission by Mrs Radford that even if the Crown Court judge had ordered that a preparatory hearing should begin in respect of the respondent on 5 October, in reality no such hearing did begin. Counsel submitted that to take away a defendant's right to bail it was not enough for a judge merely to direct that a preparatory hearing should begin or to state that a preparatory hearing was taking place, but that a preparatory hearing actually had to take place. In support of this submission counsel relied on the decisions of the Divisional Court in R v Maidstone Crown Court Ex parte Hollstein  3 All ER 503 and R v Maidstone Crown Court Ex parte Clarke  1 WLR 831 (when the custody time limit ran until arraignment) that arraignment should not take place artificially and should not be used as a mechanism for terminating the right to bail. In accepting this submission the Judge relied on his ruling that there could not be separate preparatory hearings, but he also stated:
39. I am again unable to agree with the view of the High Court judge that it was a fiction to say that preparatory hearings began on 7 September and 5 October and that the arraignment of the defendants was a device to circumvent the time limits. On 7 September the Crown Court judge ordered pursuant to section 29 of the 1996 Act that there would be a preparatory hearing in respect of the nine defendants, and in the course of that preparatory hearing he made orders pursuant to section 31(4) and (6). Therefore there was not a fictitious preparatory hearing but an actual preparatory hearing. The arraignment of the nine defendants was not an artificial device to circumvent the time limits but took place because section 30(b) provides that arraignment shall take place at the start of the preparatory hearing unless it has taken place before that. The same procedure for the same reasons took place in respect of the respondent on 5 October.
40. It is also relevant to observe that at the hearing on 5 October when Mrs Radford made the point that the respondent would be in custody until the trial began in May the Crown Court judge observed in reply (in the passage of the transcript set out in paragraph 10 above) that at the hearing on 7 September it was counsel for Mr Kanaris who submitted that the defence would not be ready before Easter, and that if any suggestion had been made at the hearing on 7 September that there was a problem in respect of the custody time limit he would have addressed that problem before fixing the date for the trial.
Custody time limits
41. Although I am unable to agree with Andrew Smith J that no preparatory hearings had begun against the respondent and against the other nine defendants, I am in agreement with him that the custody time limits are an important safeguard for accused persons and that prosecutors and judges should consider with care whether prolonged detention before trial is properly justified. This is a matter to which particular reference is made in the speech of my noble and learned friend Lord Hope of Craighead which I have had the advantage of reading in draft. On this aspect of the case I would wish to make two observations. The first observation is that where a preparatory hearing takes place before the custody time limit expires so that a defendant loses the right to bail which he would have enjoyed if the time limit had expired before there had been a preparatory hearing, he is still entitled to apply for bail to the Crown Court, and the period which would elapse before the case came to trial is a factor which the judge hearing the application would have to take into account. This is a point to which the Crown Court judge referred in his comments at page 7 of the transcript of the hearing on 5 October 2001 which is set out in paragraph 11 of this opinion. But it appears that in this case no application for bail on behalf of the respondent was made to the Crown Court after the preparatory hearing on 5 October 2001.
42. Secondly, I think that there may be some cases involving a large number of defendants or complex issues where, in the particular circumstances of the case, it may be appropriate for the judge to conduct a preparatory hearing, which has the effect of terminating the custody time limit, notwithstanding that a trial cannot be held in the near future. In such a case, where a defendant remains in custody and an application is made to the Crown Court for bail, it will be for the judge, weighing all the circumstances, including the period for which the defendant will remain in custody before trial if he were not granted bail, to decide whether or not bail should be granted. As the European Court of Human Rights has stated in Wemhoff v Federal Republic of Germany  1 EHRR 55 para 10 in considering Art 5.3 of the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms:
Therefore I do not think it is appropriate to state as an inflexible rule that a judge should not start a preparatory hearing until he is certain that he is in a position to proceed with the hearing itself expeditiously.
43. Accordingly for the reasons which I have given I would allow the appeal and would hold that a preparatory hearing did take place in respect of the respondent on 5 October 2001. I would remit to the High Court the issue whether the respondent should continue to be released on bail.