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ON APPEAL FROM THE HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE
QUEEN'S BENCH DIVISION
Murray J
Strand, London, WC2A 2LL |
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B e f o r e :
LORD JUSTICE UNDERHILL VP
and
LADY JUSTICE NICOLA DAVIES
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| Daniel FORSE Mark Robert CHILD SHEARWATER GROUP PLC XCINA LIMITED XCINA CONSULTING LIMITED |
Appellants |
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SECARMA LIMITED SECARMA GROUP LIMITEDUKFAST.NET LIMITED |
Respondents |
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Gavin Mansfield QC and Alexander Robson (instructed by Lewis Silkin LLP) for the Respondents
Hearing dates : 31 January & 1 February 2019
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Crown Copyright ©
Sir Terence Etherton MR:
Introduction
Secarma"),
to procure key employees of
Secarma
to resign and join one or more of the fourth and fifth appellants (together "Xcina") and so build up a cyber-security business competing with
Secarma.
Secarma,
and was intended to prevent Xcina from benefiting from the commercial advantage which the respondents claim Xcina had wrongly achieved from the alleged conspiracy.
Factual background
Secarma
complains, Xcina did not provide that service by using its own employees but outsourced the work, principally to
Secarma.
Secarma
carries on a cyber-security company specialising in pen testing. It provides that service by way of an in-house team of pen testers.
Secarma
as a manager of a team of pen testers.
Secarma's
business was founded by Mr John Denneny, the first defendant, and Mr Mark Rowe, the second defendant. They have not appealed the Judge's order. They sold that business on 30 June 2016. It is not necessary for the purpose of this judgment to recite in detail the various corporate entities that participated in that sale and its aftermath or to describe the various stages in the transaction. It is sufficient to say the business was subsequently carried on by
Secarma
and Mr Denneny and Mr Rowe continued to be employed by and were directors of
Secarma
and that the acquisition was effected by way of an Investment Agreement and a Share Purchase Agreement.
Secarma's
share capital was divided between, among others, Mr Lawrence Jones, the CEO of UKFast.net Ltd ("UKFast.net"), the third respondent.
Secarma;
from soliciting business from any person who, in the 24 months prior to completion, had been a customer of
Secarma's
or in discussions with
Secarma
about becoming a customer; and from poaching any person who was at the time of sale or who had been employed by
Secarma
in the 24 months prior to completion. The covenants are due to expire on 29 June 2019.
Secarma.
Clauses 18 and 19 of those contracts imposed duties of confidentiality and non-disparagement both during and at any time after termination of their employment. Clause 20 imposed 12 month post-termination restrictions preventing Mr Denneny and Mr Rowe from soliciting actual or prospective clients with whom they had dealt personally in the last 12 months of their employment and from dealing with them. They were also restricted from competing with
Secarma
and from poaching its employees.
Secarma.
His contract contained the same restrictions as in Mr Denneny's and Mr Rowe's contracts of employment, except that the restrictive covenants lasted for six months rather than twelve following termination. His contract was amended on 12 July 2017 to add provisions that would place him on garden leave if either party terminated the agreement.
Secarma.
Mr Forse left on 28 March 2018. His employment contract did not contain any of the competition or poaching restrictions contained in Mr Denneny's and Mr Rowe's contracts. Following his resignation Mr Forse worked as a freelance pen tester. He subsequently joined Xcina. He is responsible for managing and recruiting new pen testers for Xcina.
Secarma
as of mid-November 2018.
Secarma
and while they were bound by their restrictive covenants in favour of
Secarma,
unlawfully conspired with Mr Child and Mr Forse to poach
Secarma's
employees, with the aim of building up an in-house pen testing business in Xcina. They allege further that, as part of the conspiracy, Mr Denneny, Mr Rowe and Mr Harris used their knowledge of the terms on which
Secarma
pen testers were employed so as to assist Xcina to offer either the same or more advantageous terms of employment.
Secarma
as a pen tester. Mr Harcourt ultimately disclosed his conversations and bilateral WhatsApp chats with Mr Forse and Mr Harris to, among others, Mr Jones of UKFast.net and Ms Nicola Frost, the company secretary of
Secarma
and of UKFast.net. He also disclosed a group chat among certain employees of
Secarma,
including Mr Denneny and Mr Rowe, as well as Mr Forse and Mr Harris. The group chat was called "Order of the Phoenix", in which recruitment to Xcina was discussed. Relevant excerpts from those bilateral and group chats appear in the schedule to our judgments. It was his disclosure which eventually led to the commencement of these proceedings.
The proceedings and the hearing before Murray J
Secarma
and UKFast.net applied for an interim springboard injunction.
Secarma,
and by Mr Denneny, Mr Rowe, Mr Harris, Mr Forse and Mr Child and also, on behalf of the defendants, Mr Michael Stevens, CEO of Shearwater, and Mr Lorenzo Grespan, an Xcina employee who had formerly been employed by
Secarma.
"31 First, would damages be an adequate remedy? No. In my view there is a sufficient prima facie case that the Respondents have obtained an unfair head start that cannot be cured simply by reimbursingSecarma
Limited for recruitment and related costs.
32 Would an undertaking as to damages provide adequate protection for the defendants? None of the Respondents have so far suggested otherwise.
33 Would the injunction help to preserve the present position? I find that it would.
34 I do not think there are any other particular factors that need to be taken into account. This is not a case in my view where the scales are so evenly balanced that I should give particular weight to the relative strength of the parties' cases.
35 Accordingly, I find that the balance of convenience falls in favour of granting the applicants interim relief pending an expedited trial of their claim.
36 The principles that apply to springboard relief were discussed in detail by Haddon-Cave J in the QBE Management case
37. Having taken account of all the circumstances I consider that the springboard relief requested by the applicants is appropriate, fair and proportionate at this interim stage."
Secarma
faced in recruiting highly skilled pen testers in sufficient numbers to replace the ones that it had lost, the interim injunction should certainly extend until the start of an expedited trial, provided that happened on or before the end of April 2019.
Secarma's
employees and not to deal with
Secarma's
clients - were insufficient.
Secarma
of any person who was an employee of
Secarma
immediately prior to the application, (2) the provision by the individual defendants, other than Mr Child, of any pen testing or red teaming services to Xcina, (3) the provision of pen testing or red teaming services to Xcina by any person who is, or was at any time since 1 March 2018, a
Secarma
employee and who was a participant in the Order of the Phoenix group chat, or was scheduled to be targeted by Mr Harris and Mr Forse or had been encouraged or enticed by them or Mr Denneny or Mr Rowe to leave
Secarma,
(4) the defendants from soliciting or dealing with any present client of
Secarma
or anyone who had been a client in the 12 months preceding 13 November 2018, (5) Mr Denneny, Mr Rowe, Mr Harris and Mr Forse from carrying out pen testing or red teaming for a business competing with
Secarma,
(6) the corporate appellants and Mr Child from carrying on any pen testing or red teaming business competing with
Secarma.
Grounds of Appeal
Ground 1: The Judge failed to determine the length of any springboard advantage that had been obtained by the appellants by reason of the alleged breaches of duty;
Ground 2: The Judge applied the wrong test for the grant of springboard relief, notwithstanding the respondents' concession that the higher Lansing Linde test should be applied;
Ground 3: The Judge wrongly decided that the undertakings offered by the appellants were insufficient to protect the respondents from sustaining further losses by reason of past breaches of duty;
Ground 4: The Judge wrongly held that the respondents could not be compensated in damages for any losses sustained in the future by reason of the past solicitation of employees;
Ground 5: The Judge wrongly held that future losses might be suffered by the respondents other than by reason of dealings between the appellants and the respondents' customers;
Ground 6: The Judge wrongly held that springboard relief could be granted to cancel out any advantage that would not cause additional future losses to the respondents prior to trial;
Ground 7: The Judge wrongly concluded that the prejudice or harm that would be caused to the respondents if he did not grant the springboard relief would exceed that caused to the appellants (and the appellants' employees) if he did grant the relief;
Ground 8: The Judge wrongly concluded that the respondents had suffered substantial harm, by reason of the recruitment of employees by the appellants when, in fact, as the fresh evidence on appeal shows, the respondents have recruited 19 additional security professionals (including pen testers) and have increased their profitability since the events in question;
Ground 9: The Judge wrongly concluded that there was evidence to show that the appellants did not offer pen testing and red teaming services and/or that they were seeking to set up a new business offering pen testing and red teaming services;
Ground 10: In all the circumstances, the Judge ought to have held that the undertakings offered were sufficient, and that the relief granted in paragraphs 6(b), (c), (e) and (f) ought not to have been made.
Discussion
(1) In the usual case, the court must be satisfied that the claim is not frivolous or vexatious, that is there is a serious question to be tried. If the court is satisfied on that point, it proceeds to consider whether the balance of convenience lies in favour of granting or refusing the interlocutory relief that is sought.
(2) If damages would adequately compensate the claimant, if successful at the trial, for loss sustained as a result of the defendant continuing to do what is sought to be enjoined between the time of the application for the interim injunction and the trial, and the defendant would be in a financial position to pay such damages, no interim injunction should normally be granted, however strong the claimant's claim appears to be at that stage.
(3) If, on the other hand, damages would not provide an adequate remedy for the claimant in the event of success at the trial, the court then considers whether, on the contrary hypothesis that the defendant were to succeed at the trial, the defendant would be adequately compensated under the claimant's cross- undertaking as to damages for loss that would be incurred by the defendant by being prevented from continuing the relevant activity between the time of the application for the interim injunction and the trial. If damages recoverable under the cross-undertaking would be an adequate remedy and the claimant would be in a financial position to pay them, there would be no reason upon that ground to refuse an interim injunction.
(4) Where there is doubt as to the adequacy of the respective remedies in damages available to either party or to both, the question of balance of convenience arises. The various matters to be taken into consideration in deciding where the balance lies will vary from case to case. The extent to which the disadvantages to each party would be incapable of being compensated in damages in the event of their success at the trial will be a significant factor in assessing where the balance of convenience lies.
(5) If the extent of the uncompensatable disadvantage to each party would not differ widely, it may be appropriate to take into account the relative strength of each party's case as revealed by the evidence adduced on the hearing of the application, but this can only be done where there is no credible dispute that the strength of one party's case is disproportionate to that of the other party. Where the material factors appear to be evenly balanced, the prudent course would be to take such measures as are calculated to preserve the status quo.
Secarma
restricting the business they could conduct or the employment they could undertake. Rather, the interim injunctions against the appellants were intended to prevent them taking unfair advantage of any springboard which they are alleged to have built up by unlawfully conspiring to persuade employees of
Secarma
to join Xcina.
Secarma
in securing the recruitment of
Secarma
employees by Xcina and procuring such breaches of duty and obligations.
"81. It is a fundamental duty of the director of a limited company to "do his best to promote its business and to act with complete good faith towards it": see per Lord Denning in Scottish Co-operative Wholesale Ltd v Meyer [1959] AC 324 at 366. It is also his duty not to embark on a course of conduct in which his own interests will conflict with those of the company: see per Lord Cairns LC in Parker v McKenna (1874) 10 Ch App 96 at 118. He is also, like an employee, under a duty of fidelity to his company: see per Lord Greene MR in Hivac Limited v Park Royal Scientific Instruments Ltd [1946] Ch 169 at 174. "
"89. A director's duty to act so as to promote the best interests of his company prima facie includes a duty to inform the company of any activity, actual or threatened, which damages those interests. The fact that the activity is contemplated by himself is a circumstance which may excuse him from the latter aspect of the duty. But where the activity involves both himself and others, there is nothing in the authorities which excuses him from it. This applies, in my judgment, whether or not the activity in itself would constitute a breach by anyone of any relevant duty owed to the company. It does not, furthermore, seem to me that the public policy of favouring competitive business activity should lead to a different conclusion. A director who wishes to engage in a competing business and not to disclose his intentions to the company ought, in my judgment, to resign his office as soon as his intention has been irrevocably formed and he has launched himself in the actual taking of preparatory steps. "
Secarma
was set out in the first witness statement of Ms Frost. She said that there had been a deliberate and highly orchestrated scheme to poach many of
Secarma's
employees, including its entire senior management team and many other key employees critical to its commercial and operational success, in order to recreate the business in Xcina as a direct competitor to
Secarma.
She said that since 1 March 2018
Secarma
had received a total of 28 resignations, representing almost 50 per cent of
Secarma's
workforce. She said that the key protagonists behind the unlawful scheme appeared to be the founder-owners who sold the business, that is to say Mr Denneny and Mr Rowe, and the former Managing Director of
Secarma,
Mr Harris. She said that the evidence pointed to a plan stemming from at least May 2018, and perhaps earlier than that.
Secarma,
and was its Global Sales Director and a board director, from the date of its sale until his employment terminated on 2 November 2018, following notice of his resignation on 2 May 2018. Mr Rowe was employed by
Secarma
and was its Technical Director and a board director from the date of its sale until 23 January 2018, following notice of his resignation on 23 July 2018. Mr Harris was the Managing Director of
Secarma
from 14 February 2017 until the termination of his employment on 13 September 2018 following a period of garden leave. He was a board director of
Secarma
between 8 March 2017 and 13 September 2018.
Secarma,
alerted
Secarma's
Operations Manager and Ms Frost and Mr Jones, to the efforts of Mr Harris to bring about a "team move" of
Secarma's
employees to Xcina. Her evidence was that Mr Harcourt told them that Mr Harris messaged him out of the blue on 20 August 2018 and explained the plan regarding Xcina, that there was a schedule setting out who would resign from
Secarma
and when, and that in a WhatsApp message on 3 September 2018 Mr Harris had shown him the schedule. Ms Frost's witness statement set out at length many further details of what Mr Harcourt explained had ensued. That evidence is corroborated by WhatsApp messages between Mr Harcourt and Mr Harris and Mr Forse and by the "Order of the Phoenix" WhatsApp group chat.
Secarma
employees in four stages beginning on 3 September 2018, that he was seeking to secure the agreement of Mr Harcourt to move to Xcina, and that that the overall plan was disguised as a bowling championship "the Hammer's Bowling Championship", of which Mr Forse was designated the "party planner". The "Hammer" was a pseudonym given to Mr Child. In the chats Mr Harris, who was shown to have assumed the pseudonym "Vlad", identified those who had "decided to enter" the championship. The chats with Mr Forse also indicated that a new company was to carry on the pen testing business from March 2019.
Secarma
employees, including Mr Denneny and Mr Rowe. Evidence of what was said in the group chat begins on 21 August 2018, when Mr Harcourt joined it. The group chat contains detailed discussion about recruitment of the participants in the group chat and other
Secarma
employees to Xcina and how the arrangements for such recruitment were progressing. Mr Harris gave the other participants updates on the recruitment arrangements, apparently based on his discussions with Mr Child and others in Shearwater. The chats appear to show that Mr Child had assumed overall responsibility for the recruitment and that he was operating through Mr Harris, who was co-ordinating with Mr Forse. Mr Harris asked the participants in the group chat to make sure he was in their "contacts" as Vlad and nothing else. In one exchange with Mr Harris, Mr Denneny said he would speak to Mr Child about the possible recruitment of a particular
Secarma
employee. In another exchange, Mr Harris said: "We are the peoples front of
Secarma",
and Mr Rowe responded: "PLA Pentest Liberation Army". In another exchange, a
Secarma
employee, Lorenzo Grespan, said he had given his notice of resignation and 21 October was the earliest he could start (with Xcina) and that it was the "End of an era", to which Mr Harris responded: "Continuation of an era really".
Secarma
during the period of those chats. Mr Harris was an employee and director of
Secarma
until 13 September. In the absence of any denial by Mr Child or Mr Stevens, the strong probability is that they knew the status in
Secarma
of Mr Rowe, Mr Denneny and Mr Harris.
Secarma's
solicitors a letter which made that claim even stronger and showed that in certain respects the witness statements made by the defendants and placed before the Judge were seriously misleading.
Secarma
employees by Xcina. The appellants were aware that Mr Harris discussed with some
Secarma
employees the possibility of their recruitment by Xcina, and that he sought to ensure that employees who he considered to be appropriate and who wished to leave
Secarma
would apply to join Xcina. Mr Harris met with one or more of the corporate appellants, including meetings with Mr Child, at which the recruitment of
Secarma
employees was discussed in general and at which Mr Harris sought to negotiate the terms of the contracts which those employees might in due course be offered by Xcina. Those meetings included one on 12 September 2018 (when Mr Harris was still an employee and director of
Secarma)
at which Mr Harris discussed the timing of offers to particular employees. Mr Harris expressed his opinion as to the appropriate terms to be offered to such employees and so implicitly disclosed that he believed that the salary of each such employee (as at 29 June 2018) was the same as or less than the figure proposed to be paid by Xcina. Mr Harris and Mr Forse expressed their opinions as to the desirability of recruiting particular
Secarma
employees, and encouraged Xcina to expedite the sending of offer letters to
Secarma
employees who had applied to Xcina.
Secarma
by unlawful means.
Secarma
would be adequately compensated in damages for any loss sustained as a result of Xcina continuing to do what is found at the trial to have been unlawful activity. The Judge found that damages would not be an adequate remedy. It is, however, a ground of appeal that the Judge was wrong in making that finding.
Secarma
by the business carried on by Xcina attributable to its unlawful springboard advantage. Damages for lost business which
Secarma
could have secured but for the unlawful conduct of defendants would presumably be assessed on the basis of loss of a chance, which is itself a very imprecise legal tool for determining recoverable loss.
Secarma
claims an account of profits in its Particulars of Claim, that is an alternative head of relief, for which
Secarma
does not have to make an election at this stage. In any event, the profit made by Xcina by virtue of its unlawful springboard advantage may be less than the loss suffered by
Secarma
and also might be difficult to calculate.
Secarma
employees in Xcina's pen testing and red teaming business is not legitimate because their move to Xcina could not be undone and so the interim injunction could never preserve or restore the status quo prior to the alleged unlawful act; rather, the injunction should be limited to avoiding future loss. He further submitted that, in any event, springboard relief can properly only be directed at preventing loss to the claimant as a result of the unfair advantage obtained by the defendant; and so a springboard injunction should never be of a scope or length that punished the defendant rather than preventing loss to the claimant. He said that punishment is more appropriately addressed by the claims for an account of profits and exemplary damages.
Secarma
but rather they were clients of
Secarma.
The intended carrying out of pen testing and red teaming in-house was a new kind of business activity for the corporate appellants, specifically for which they wished to recruit
Secarma's
employees. In carrying out that new business activity, the corporate appellants would be competing for the first time with
Secarma
both in relation to existing and past customers of
Secarma
and, critically, new clients.
Secarma
considered that it would need the time for preparation. Although there is no suggestion of this being the position in the present case, the court will no doubt be astute to ensure that a claimant does not artificially seek to extend the period of any interim springboard injunction by delaying the expedited hearing.
"As to the length of that springboard relief, given the difficulty thatSecarma
Limited is faced with in recruiting highly skilled pen testers in sufficient numbers to replace the ones that it has lost, I think it certainly should extend until the start of an expedited trial, provided that happens on or before the end of April 2019. I will be making an order for an expedited trial but if for any reason the trial does not commence by the end of April 2019 the respondents, of course, have liberty to apply."
Secarma's
employees and the execution of that plan took place over a number of months. The appellants' solicitors' letter of 30 January 2019, disclosing the misleading evidence in the witness statements before the Judge, shows that the plan may well have originated before June 2018. That was at least six months before the hearing before the Judge, when the recruitment of targeted
Secarma
employees was still in progress according to the schedules in the WhatsApp conversations, Mr Rowe was still under directors' duties to
Secarma,
Mr Denneny, who had been under directors' duties to
Secarma
until 2 November 2018, was still under restrictive covenant obligations to
Secarma,
and Mr Harris, who had been under directors' duties to
Secarma
until 13 September 2018, was on the face of it also under restrictive covenant obligations to
Secarma.
Secarma's
business. In view of those difficulties, the time it took the defendants to plan and execute the recruitment of
Secarma's
employees would have been a reasonable starting point for assessing how long it would take to remove the unfair competitive advantage obtained by Xcina. Furthermore, the Judge would have been entitled and right to take into account that the defendants' evidence on this aspect is incomplete and untested and possibly, as indeed it transpired, inaccurate. That is why it would have been wrong for the Judge to have been too prescriptive about the likely time that it would take to remove Xcina's competitive advantage but, on the other hand, perfectly legitimate to conclude that it was likely to be not less than the period of some four to five months prior to the trial.
Secarma
had "hired or [was] in the process of hiring" 19 security professionals, including senior managers, pen testers, red team and account managers to replace those who had left or were leaving and so had not been caused any substantial harm by Xcina's recruitment of
Secarma's
employees. The appellants further say that such evidence should have been disclosed by
Secarma
on the hearing before the Judge and that it shows that the extent of the risk of any future harm was not fairly stated by
Secarma.
Mr Croxford informed us that the current position is that 21 employees or former employees of
Secarma
have been made offers by Xcina and
Secarma
has recruited 21 replacements. I accept that the further evidence might have been difficult to obtain prior to the hearing before the Judge. It is relevant evidence and I would permit the appellants to rely on it.
Secarma
between 1 March 2018 and 13 November 2018 were replacements of the employees who have resigned and were named by Mr Harris as intended targets for recruitment by Xcina. Her evidence includes a detailed organogram of
Secarma
showing who has been replaced. It is impossible at this interlocutory stage to reject Ms Frost's evidence. Mr Stevens' further evidence does not, therefore, cast any doubt on the decision of the Judge.
Secarma
who were in post on 13 November 2018, that is to say the day before the application for the interim injunction; and not to solicit or deal with current clients of
Secarma
or those who were clients in the 12 months preceding 13 November 2018, subject to an exception for pre-14 November 2018 clients of Shearwater and Xcina. Those undertakings would not have protected
Secarma
from Xcina continuing to take the benefit of its unlawful springboard advantage by planning and building up an in-house business of pen testing and red teaming, using the ex-
Secarma
employees who had already been wrongly recruited, and unfairly competing with
Secarma,
not only for existing and former customers, but also new customers.
Secarma
employees were to be recruited to undertake.
Secarma
restricting his post- employment activities and there is no evidence that, in joining Xcina, he was in breach of any of his employment obligations to
Secarma.
Mr Child is in the same position in his personal capacity, as distinct from his role as CEO of Xcina, as he was never under any directors' duties or contractual obligations to
Secarma.
Nor should the injunction extend to prohibiting ex-
Secarma
employees from involvement in anything other than in-house pen testing and red teaming.
Conclusion
Lord Justice Underhill:
Secarma's
workforce, that was merely punitive because it did not prevent any ongoing loss to
Secarma
itself. But, as the Master of the Rolls points out at para. 55, that is not the case. Xcina (in respect of its new business) and
Secarma
were competitors: that is, they were both seeking to supply pen testing services in the same market. By keeping Xcina out of that market for (at least) the period up to trial the injunction did not simply deprive it of an advantage: it deprived it of a competitive advantage, because its unlawful conduct improved its ability, at the expense of
Secarma's,
to secure clients in that market.
Secarma
said that it could not be properly prepared by the earlier date offered by the Court. In a case where a defendant is subject to an interim injunction of a kind which is of its nature damaging to its business claimants may reasonably be expected to pull out all the stops.
Lady Justice Nicola Davies:
Key to senders
| Paul Harris PH | Mitchell Bradley -- MB | John Denneny -- JD |
| Liam Harcourt LH | Kyle Fleming (KF) | Paul Ritchie -- PR |
| Daniel Forse DF | Lorenzo Grespan (LG) |
'Convo with PH'
| Date | Sender | Message |
| 3/9/2018 | PH | Just following up with a few more details re The Hammer's bowling championship, following my recent post on the group chat re progress with planning. Official 'invitations' will start being issued from this week onwards, so party planner Dan has pulled together a broad schedule [ ] There are still a few unknowns and people that haven't been reached, but these are the ideal date ranges based on what is known: Round 1 (03/09/18 > 17/09/18) [ ] Round 2 (17/09/18 > 01/10/18) [ ] Round 3 (01/10/18 > onwards) [ ] |
| 3/9/2018 | LH | Intricately planned. Would I be right in presuming I'd fit into round three if I don't go travelling? |
| 3/9/2018 | PH | Yeah, if that suit you |
| - | ||
| 18/9/2018 | PH | They've just been very slow getting everything sorted at their end to get offers out etc. [ ] |
| - | ||
| 21/9/2018 | PH | Hi Liam, you're on for 3:30pm on Monday with Mark Child @ Juxton House (next to St.Paul's Cathedral) |
| - | ||
| 25/9/2018 | PH | Good news. Feedback from Mark was good to :) |
| - | ||
| 3/10/2018 | LH | Hi, just heard from micky that he'd be my manager, is this the case? |
| 3/10/2018 | PH | It depends. If you moved out of London, no, you could come under either Gaz in Manchester or Paul R in Scotland. Similarly, if you stay in London and this is completely unworkable for you, we could arrange a different reporting line. [ ] |
'Convo with DF'
| Date | Sender | Message |
| 20/8/2018 | DF | Remember to check contract for any non competes or whatever and let us know |
| - | ||
| 20/8/2018 | LH | I've checked my contract, and my notice period id 1 week, it doesn't go up at any point, I do have a non poaching clause (6 months) and a non compete (6 months) |
| - | ||
| 20/8/2018 | DF | no it just has a potential impact on timing. The non-compete isn't a problem. The none poaching can be. Basically the way around it is to have you as one of the last ones out the door (i.e. impossible that you poached anyone then). the other way around it (less ideal) is to contract for shearwater for the 6 months so that you aren't an employee, and then be an employee after. [ ] |
| - | ||
| 20/8/2018 | DF | aye OK. let me speak with harris (prob tomorrow) and probably get him to chat to you as well. |
| - | ||
| 20/8/2018 | DF | ph: [mobile telephone number redacted for confidentiality] (aka vlad) |
| 20/8/2018 | LH | Who is he? |
| 20/8/2018 | DF | paul harris |
| - | ||
| 5/9/2018 | DF | Micky could fill you in on what the interview is like, but it's mostly just them filling you in on what xcina is like and an opportunity to ask any questions. |
| 5/9/2018 | DF | It's not a pass/fail thing as discussed |
| - | ||
| 19/9/2018 | DF | Hello from Spain! You may have noticed offers and contracts starting to roll in now. Sorry it's taken longer than originally hoped! With the delay in mind, please see the new "ideal" resignation timeframes below. Again though, don't feel you have to. Do as you wish Shout if you need anything [ ] (March 2019 (new company)) Micky AndiP DawidG Jose Marcell Pedro |
Group Chat "Order of the Phoenix"
| Date | Sender | Message |
| 21/8/2018 | DF | Excellent day to clear this chat anyway |
| - | ||
| 29/8/2018 | MB | Oh yeah, burning hoodie video can we all clear chat please? [ ] |
| - | ||
| 29/8/2018 | DF | Not to patronise anyone, but if you don't know how tap on Order of the Phoenix up top and then scroll all the way down and press "Clear chat" |
| 29/8/2018 | KF | why are we clearing chat? |
| - | ||
| 29/8/2018 | DF | Other one off things you should do: Disable chat backups Settings -> Chats -> Chat Backup and turn auto backups off |
| 29/8/2018 | LG | Ah deleting chat is to reduce the chance of something leaking and Mark getting shit to no end from LJ and possibly legal consequences due to the non poaching clauses and all that |
| 29/8/2018 | LG | At least for me |
| 29/8/2018 | DF | Also go Settings -> Chats and disable "Save to camera roll" |
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| 30/8/2018 | PH | Excellent planning session yesterday with SWG. Lots of good stuff agreed re contract terms, benefits as financials, which means X should be in a position to start issuing offer letters from next week if the remaining work goes to plan. Also a good planning session on Tuesday with Dan and Chris to establish what an ideal on-boarding schedule would look like. Trying to satisfy individual people, client, legal and new co requirements. It's not prescriptive and we will need to adapt to changing circumstances as we go, but it's a good starting point. [ ] |
| 11/9/2018 | JD | [ ] I like Richard and think his maturity and style would fit well with mark Child. Good spot btw. I'll discuss with mark today. |
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| 13/9/2018 | PH | Good meeting with SWG yesterday. They're in the final stages of a £30m acquisition (good news for the Group and ideal target customer base for us all very large multinationals) so it's been difficult to get share of mind the last couple of weeks. However, I have been assured things will start flowing over the next few days, so keep an eye on your Inbox ... |
| 24/9/2018 | PH | The Cinnamon Club is now booked from 1st Oct, every Monday for the full day. Anyone who can get down for catch-up's, planning etc very welcome. |
| 28/9/2018 | PH | Quick Update: I am pressing MC to start getting all offers/contracts out from Monday next week. Phil, the COO, is managing the process, but he is very bogged down in the acquisition of a £30m security company. (Great news for us btw, as they have exactly the type of clients we need - large enterprise accounts.) [ ] P1: start dates 01.11 > 14.11 P2: start dates 15.11 > 28.11 P3: start dates 29.11 > 14.12 |
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| 28/9/2018 | LG | So my notice is in. 29/10 is the earliest I can start. |
| 28/9/2018 | LG | End of an era. Feels weird |
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| 28/9/2018 | PH | Excellent news Continuation of an era really. |
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| 3/10/2018 | LG | Can we just all resign with a group video on YouTube? Paul Ritchie can surely prepare a soundtrack. That will definitely get more views than all his social media posts combined |
| 4/10/2018 | PR | We are the peoples front of secarma |
| 4/10/2018 | PH | PLA Pentest Liberation Army |
| 8/10/2018 | PH | The Hammer is up in Glasgow tonight/tomorrow. He's invited anyone who fancies a catch-up to meet him either tonight (after 7pm) or tomorrow for breakfast at the Radisson Blu around 8:30/9:00 |
| 8/10/2018 | PH | Mark Child |
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| 8/10/2018 | PH | UPDATE: Next batch of offers going out today Chad, Clare, David Q, Gaz, Patrick, Rodger, Sam P. [ ] |
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| 8/10/2018 | PH | As and when you resign could you DM me with your agreed start date pls. Thanks |
| 11/10/2018 | PH | As good a time as any to clear down all chats! |
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| 11/10/2018 | PH | Also, can you make sure I am in your contacts as Vlad and nothing else. Thanks |
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| 11/10/2018 | LG | Here's an unpopular opinion. Do we still need this chat now that things are in motion? Reduces liability and people can keep in touch privately if necessary with Vlad an Dan. I don't mind either way, it's just a suggestion and a decent way to know what's going on in the madhouse for those who left |
| 11/10/2018 | DF | It's not a terrible idea |
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| 11/10/2018 | MB | I'm happy with that |
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| 11/10/2018 | Lucia Eden | I'm easy either way ... |
| 11/10/2018 | LG | If nobody objects by the end of the day then I think Dan or Vlad could delete this |
| 11/10/2018 | Clare Cavanagh | That's fine with me |
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| 12/10/2018 | PH | So, seems like the only way to shut this chat group down is to remove everyone individually (or you can remove yourselves). Then it will die when I finally remove myself. See you all in another chat room ... |